RE: Scopes, Sniping and Reloading: Was new life for...

["Jim Ericson" <jericson@xxxxxxxxxx>]

One place that 300m range for 5.56/.223 came from is the original loading
for the M16 was a 55 grain bullet with a 1 in 12" twist (OK, originally 1 in
14") - the new, modern (ie, mid /80s?) is a 62 grain bullet that is longer,
and is stabilized with a 1 in 7" twist. The original load (M193) was listed
as having a maximum effective range of 300m. The later round (M855 for the
US, SS109(??) for NATO) was developed by FN to help sell the Minimi - it
need longer range, and better penetration. I believe that is what the
British IW is chambered for. (AFAIK, only the US still issues both types of
ammo - because we still have both types of rifling present in our fielded
weapons.)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shawn Mulock [mailto:01340743@3web.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 6:35 AM
> To: millenniums-end-l@firedrake.org
> Subject: Re: Scopes, Sniping and Reloading: Was new life for...
>
>
>
>
> Mike Fortey wrote:
>
> > 300m for 5.56mm?!
> >
> > That's not really very long range IMHO. Personally, I
> > like the skills atm, although I would be keen to add
> > the combat experience skill to hamstring kata
> > munchkinism a little.
> >
> > Mike
>
> In the case of shooting paper targets 300m is not a great
> distance, but all
> things in context, I believe. In this case we are talking about characters
> engaging in armed conflict. As quoted by Mr. Stenning, in the
> text book the
> average British Infantry soldier is expected to hit/suppress
> targets out to
> 400m, but try that when they are shooting back. When you hear that very
> distinctive k-thund noise pass you by, you know they mean to kill
> you quite
> dead. Accuracy (among other things) always suffers when the lads
> are in it.
>
> In my opinion 300m is very far away for the average Infantry
> soldier on the
> sharp end, especially "for f**king real" as one SSgt I knew was
> wont to put
> it.
>
> As for the Combat Experience Skill, I whole heartedly agree, we can't let
> the munchkins get away with that. It is a decent reflection of the
> experiences of the veteran character and also describes the
> "getting around
> a warzone" skills a soldier learns when in the arena.
>
> As for Scopes and the time it takes to line them up. I have been thinking
> about this and have a suggestion I would like to bounce off you
> all (If this
> has been suggested already, please let me know)
>
> What if one was to use a simple formula such as:
>
> (P - 4)/4 = |N|
>
> Where:
> P is the power of the scope (Scopes of 4x or less do not need time
> calculations)
> |N| is the number of rounds required to line up the shot in absolute
> numbers.
>
> i.e.. the 24 power scope on that Barret M82A1 we discussed earlier...
>
> (24 - 4)/4 = |5 rounds (10 seconds)
>
> Feed back is more than appreciated.
>
> Thank you
> S.
>
>
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