From : Jeff Pawlowski <blackeagleblackeagle@yahoo.com> /SNIP/ > As for knowing the harsh realities of high impacts > with water, I've done survival training with Air Force > and Navy pilots. Water ditches are supposed to be the > scariest things they train you on. Coriuosity again: How many of you have "serious" military/police training/background ? Damien -INQUISITOR REX ;)